This is the Title, Part 2

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This is the Title, Part 2

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And so it begins ... again.

Crystal Cruises refund on Asia sailings
traveldoc1 wrote:This is a copy of the letter I sent to Mr. Wolber, CEO of Crystal:

My Wife and I are passengers on the planned Crystal Cruise titled Spice Route Sojourn expected to depart Singapore on April 23, 2020. We are in a group of friends, many who are also physicians, who have traveled extensively over the years and were greatly anticipating our cruise from Singapore to Dubai. The corona virus (COVID-19), obviously has us quite concerned and Crystal Cruises response has us even more worried. As a physician still in active practice the thought of being away from my patients an additional 2 weeks should we need to be quarantined would be a disaster for my practice. Having been in discussion with the CDC and followed their podcasts and bulletins, their feeling is that this virus has not yet peaked and the incubation period is variable, even extending to 24 days. The number of cases keeps increasing daily as does the death toll. The lack of concern by Crystal Cruises is quite disconcerting.

Even more amazing to us is the fact that Celebrity, Royal Caribbean and other cruise lines have already canceled cruises through April and Crystal has refused to acknowledge that there is a problem. Crystal has always been the line that the other cruise lines are compared to and sadly those cruise lines now are saying that Crystal could care less about there passengers and are only interested in the bottom line. Royal Caribbean and Celebrity, as well as Princess have offered a full refund and a 25% discount on a future cruise. Why would Crystal risk the lives of people traveling to southeast Asia.

If you want to be the premiere line you have always aspired to be, I believe it is time to step up to the plate and offer refunds to those future passengers who have put their trust in Crystal as their cruise line. Please do the right thing and offer the refunds now rather than waiting until it is too late to make other plans. My wife and I want to travel with Crystal again but this inaction is leaving us to wonder what type of cruise line Crystal has become.
alwaysonaship wrote:Since no one can or will respond to your comments I will. Totally agree with your post. It is wrong, but apparently you and a few others see it differently. I just paid a bill for a cancelled Crystal cruise that they won’t refund. Frankly I think it is a serious cash flow problem.

Good wishes and it would be nice if customers were treated as valued.

How can alwaysonaship agree with the post while saying that post's author sees it differently?



The video, above, is dedicated to that wonderful writer, KenzSailing, on that other message board.

Continuing ...
mogilevk9 wrote:My husband and I are also scheduled to be on this sailing, Singapore to Dubai April 23rd. We share your views regarding Crystal’s current attitude towards its passengers. He recently posted the following on Crystal Society Family.

All other major cruise lines apart from Crystal have now pulled Asia. Cunard altered the itinerary of the Queen Elizabeth the other day. From a health perspective why would you want to fly people in and out of Singapore and risk just one person contracting Covid 19 and taking it aboard Crystal Symphony thereby exposing all onboard to the rapid spread that we know this disease has. Is it fair to place a strain a on a country's healthcare system that is trying to protect it's own citizens. One only has to look at Japan and the strain placed on them with the Diamond Princess issue. Throughout my professional career I have dealt with the management of emergency and crisis situations, what you do not do is make it worse by adding more people into an avoidable situation.
gaspari wrote:Quite agree with you. So disappointing that they have continued to behave so inconsiderately and unprofessionally. Many organisations have really stepped up to the plate and gone over and beyond what they were legally required to do in this unfortunate situation. Not Crystal, who seem incapable of doing the decent thing.
OzKiwiJJ wrote:I came across this comment in an article:

'WHO chief Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus said on Thursday. “This virus is very dangerous and it’s public enemy number one and it’s not being treated as such.”'

He was referring to some countries not treating it seriously enough but could easily apply to Crystal as well.
cruiseonecer wrote:... And then along came doomsayer OzKiwiJJ.
Ruh-Roh

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Effective Immediately

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From that other message board, a banner, displayed globally:

"Effective Immediately: Do not post about Coronavirus on Roll Calls if you aren't sailing on that cruise!!"

Is that like "Do not disturb the animals in their cages?" Your own cage - fine. In a public place - fine. But in your own cage, you can only disturb yourselves.

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Why would you post on a "Roll Call" that you are not on?

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Why would you post on a "Roll Call" that you are not on?

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First, scuba diver, congratulations on your 10,000th post! (Appropriately, your rank is now "full tank!")

Second, I often post on roll calls where I don't have a booking; never because of the coronavirus, but because I have information to share about their cruise. (I don't know if you've noticed, but I have a lot of data, on thousands of itineraries, several ships, and three cruise lines, and I'm only booked on three future cruises!)

Today, I cancelled a future cruise on Oceania, and I posted about it on the roll call because I wanted them to know that our tour guide was now available for someone else to book. I noted on that post, in the edit reason, because I like that as a style, that I am now prohibited from talking about coronavirus there! (That was intended as a joke!)

Third, I mentioned that message, from that other cruise message board, because I thought they were overreaching. The message is global - a big red banner at the top of the page - and it's tracked with cookies. And the transgression they are trying to prevent is not provable because no one on a roll call is required to present their cruise documents.

If there actually is a problem with some posters harassing others, in a roll call, or otherwise, then they should handle that as they always do, with a warning or a suspension.

Anyway, it's not clear if you have a position on the matter, or are just asking, but it is my wont not to short-change my valued posters with my opinions.

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World Cruise 2023

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This is a test; this is only a test.
drib wrote:In 2016, I wrote these fearless predictions on some other message board:

things that will happen before crystal has a new ocean ship
  • two US presidential elections
  • six super bowls
  • the San Diego Chargers will have a new stadium
  • Apple will release iPhone 16
  • driver-less cars will be common on Earth
  • a Tesla will be launched into space
I meant it only as an observation, but if there is a new ship in 2023, it's pretty much spot on - just one more Super Bowl and maybe another iPhone version
The original post, by the way is here:

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Only the eighth post ever on drib critic!

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Re: Effective Immediately

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drib wrote:
Fri Mar 06, 2020 5:31 pm
From that other message board, a banner, displayed globally:

"Effective Immediately: Do not post about Coronavirus on Roll Calls if you aren't sailing on that cruise!!"
Today's global red banner: "Please look for and post on existing Corona Virus threads before posting a new one. Thank you"

Better.

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Actually, the new global message is an orange banner! And the red one is still there with the original contentious message.

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It is like seeing a sign that says "Wet Paint". What do you do?

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Re: This is the Title, Part 2

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scuba diver from cc wrote:
Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:21 pm
It is like seeing a sign that says "Wet Paint". What do you do?
I don't know.....maybe not touch the object to which said sign is attached? Or, if you wish to be painted, do touch?

It seems that there has been a trend of late of shaming and ridiculing people that are choosing to go on their cruises, implying that they will be bringing disease back to their home towns and infecting the old folks, etc. I have noticed that some of these posts have been quickly removed, I get an email about a new post on a subscribed thread, and when I go to that thread, poof, the post is no longer there. Perhaps the other board overlords are trying to prevent such behavior on roll calls. I don't know whether the thought police patrol the roll calls to the extent that they do on other forums.

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tradition!

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Ponzi, here's a little history about "This is the Title."

Member iamheisenberg, from that other message board, used to save posts he thought might get deleted, in their test forum, in a thread by that subject name, "This is the Title." It was all done in plain view, and went undetected for about two years. Note that anything posted in their test forum does not show up in searches - so they were also not listed as activity in a user's profile, because that's a search - and they were not counted in the member's total post count.

Eventually, that thread was discovered - I think by The Secret Moderator (TSM), because TSM posted there the same day as "This is the Title" was removed - and iamheisenberg started using drib critic to continue his subversive activity. Note that iamheisenberg was not also removed from that other message board along with that thread. He was removed maybe a year or so later, for nuisance posting.

I can't be sure of iamheisenberg's motivtion, but I suppose it was opposition to censorship, and also for posterity. (His biggest regret was that he was unable to save the full text about TSM's hoagie, which is now legendary.)

Anyway, if you are so inclined, you are welcome to copy from your emails and paste those posts here. It's a great tradition.


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Four Dead Passengers Aboard HAL ship sailing toward Ft Lauderdale

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I know that I'm totally offended by this video from a HAL ship, and I hope you will be too.


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I am sure that I can find some reason to be offended, however, right now I am laughing too hard.

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scuba diver from cc wrote:
Sat Mar 28, 2020 5:28 am
I am sure that I can find some reason to be offended, however, right now I am laughing too hard.
:cheers:

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Long time before cruising resumes

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O Forum, selected quotes:
Paulchili wrote:I guess to our Dear Leader's disappointment, the church pews will not be packed with joyful celebrants on Easter- nor will his empty hotels, golf resorts and spas be full with guests - the real reason why he is so anxious to get back to normal ASAP.
pingpong1 wrote:Can we please leave individual political leanings and biases at the door, before entering this room?
Paulchili wrote:"Just the facts, ma'am"
clo wrote:It's not like you're making this up.
StanandJim wrote:+1
A large part of their plan is to make it uncomfortable for us to speak about their tactics.

notice how uncomfortable those conversations are becoming-
drib wrote:When you elect a flim-flam man,
Expect to be both flimmed and flammed,
Until all that flim-flam hits the fan.

And when that flam affects your cruise,
Talk about it, if you choose.
"What have you got to lose?"
StanandJim wrote:
The Virus is messy
Dear Leader says he was right
Rough Hombres get rough Stuff
Hmmm, if that was meant as a Haiku, it should be 5-7-5, not 6-7-6.
ORV wrote:Actually this situation is too entwined with our political climate to leave it out.

Truth is truth, not bias. On the other hand politics, like religion shouldn't really be discussed here. Beautiful, perfect.

Carry on.
clo wrote:The older I get the more my personal ethics are at times - I'm not perfect - influencing my buying decisions.
LHT28 wrote:Guess your ethic have not caught up to computers & cell phones
Look at all those dying making these items
Something to add to your boycott
ORV wrote:Man, it's hard to live in this world we have today.

Reminds me of the time I asked a Red Hatted, buy American fella if he'd rather have a Chevy made in Mexico City or a Toyota made in Mississippi? Can you say globalization boys and girls?

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© drib

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Drib, on that other message board, wrote this in reply to to StanandJim's attempted haiku* post:

six seven and six
StanandJim follow no rules
like on board credit

It was deleted. Not the other political posts, just this one.

Could it be because he put "© drib" in the edit reason?

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* I know, there's someone out there who will argue that a haiku does not have to be 5-7-5, so don't fucking lecture me about haikus, Ponzi.

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Our Splendor cruise was canceled and we have not been on the Explorer so we have not had the chance to dine in the Pacific Rim. I am not sure what a Haiku is our how it is cooked.

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haiku u

Post: # 2877Post mini-d (as of 3-19-2020) »

a japanese poem
is food and drink for the soul
it tastes like chicken 

Traditionally, the haiku is 17 syllables in the pattern 5, 7, 5. But it's a poem, you know, so the rules are flexible, like jazz is to music.

Drib says that, after dinning in Pacific Rim on Explorer, it's now his favorite specialty restaurant on any ship. Red Ginger, on some Oceania ships, is also excellent, he says. And he likes the Nobu restaurants on Crystal ships more than he likes them on land. (He thinks Nobu is skating on his reputation with little innovation, though, like Crystal, in general.)

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