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The ones that we know about, that reincarnated as a new user, did not piss them off as much as drib. Have you ever seen a banned user where they deleted 1600+ posts? Even iamheisenberg still has his posts, and he suggested that he was going on the Crystal sex cruise with his mother. (He said she was fit.)

https://boards.cruisecritic.com/profile ... eisenberg/

Not everyone has a dedicated IP address. Some are shared, some are reallocated from time to time by their ISP, and some use a VPN where it's like a box of chocolates. The moderator can see what IP a person used on each post, and what that member has used before - I can do that on drib critic, which is not all that sophisticated. I won't post your IPs here, Fezzik, but I can see that you've used ten different ones. So my guess is you use a VPN service.

I did notice that on Cruise Fucking Critic, a member can see which devices they used when logged in (by mac address) and a general location. I don't know if the moderators can see that too. The Google does that too in case someone else is spoofing you.

Some idiot may have already exposed one of my new identities on Cruise Fucking Critic by making a thinly veiled reference to my clock ticking. I actually went one step farther, though, and I posted on a thread where two of the hosts that participated in my banning had posted.

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bitsnerd was the user I referenced above, and he's already been banned. bitsnerd, by the way, was an anagram.

So I created four more user names for the future, to add to my existing stock. They will be flying under the radar, though, until I need them.

The next time I pull a Thelma and Louise, I will have an army of user names, and I will keep posting - maybe about Keith1010 being a secret moderator - all day long until my army is gone. It will be like playing Risk.

And then I will create a new army.

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So just because some clueless asshole made a joke warning a new user about the possibility of getting banned, the Gestapo read that post and said, “aha! This new user must be drib!”

In defense of the poor dullard who did this, was he really supposed to suspect that the storm troopers read each and every f-ing post, even on the f-ing Test Forum, searching for possible sinners and their enablers? And even if they did, that they would be able to sniff out that this was drib? Do you think that they greet each and every new user as a potential scoundrel and monitor their activity until they are deemed to be clean? Or at least deemed to be not-drib? I imagine that the bumpkin that made this reference never dreamed of such a thing. Only guessing.

Of course I use a VPN, what do you take me for, an amateur? But I have to disable my VPN in order to access this fakakta message board since I can’t access it with VPN enabled. I am able to access Cruise F-ing Critic with my VPN enabled.

Is it your intention to ever return to CC as an actual user, or do you just intend to make busting their chops your life’s work?

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Fezzik displaying a command of Greenlandic Yiddish (GY) in addition to correctly assessing the current situation!

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drib wrote: Tue Sep 14, 2021 8:03 am Fezzik displaying a command of Greenlandic Yiddish (GY) in addition to correctly assessing the current situation!
To the CFC host that banned you, I say:
Shteyner zol zi hobn, nit kayn kinder.

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Today, I noticed that the Endeavor itinerary, referenced below, had fare decreases of about 6% on an S2.


drib wrote: Fri Aug 13, 2021 10:46 pm Crystal Endeavor Makes its US Debut with New October 2021 Voyage from Miami
drib wrote:It's not just that this new Caribbean Endeavor itinerary is more expensive than a Caribbean Serenity itinerary. This new Caribbean Endeavor itinerary is more expensive per day than an Antarctica Endeavor itinerary!

For Endeavor, I start with Cat S2 because S1 and S2 are 68% of the ship. (There's only one S7 cabin so it's bogus to even advertise that as an entry fare for Endeavor.) This new itinerary is $1,833 per day for an S2. The first Antarctica itinerary, November 18, is only $1,532 per day for an S2.

I'm sure there are some advantages to sailing on an expedition ship in the Caribbean - I can't think of any, but I'm sure there are - but that per day is exorbitant no matter how you look at it.

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Also of note, there is one 16 day gap before the new itinerary, and one 15 day gap after. So be on the lookout for Crystal to fill in those gaps.
keith1010 wrote:Interesting comments.

I just want to remind everyone that some people say the same thing about taking a cruise on Symphony or Serenity because they normally spend less when the sail say Viking or Princess or whatever.

Yes it is a different experience sailing Symphony and Serenity versus say Viking or Princess.

Same goes for Endeavor. Yes, there is certainly several things in common because after all it is the Crystal product but there are many differences since it is an expedition ship and let's not forget it is a new ship. For many years the pricing on Serenity was considerably more than Symphony as it was considered new.

Some of the difference include more public space for guests, more space in the suites, a much higher ratio of crew (including expedition) members to guests, many excursions included, and a vessel carrying not more than 200 guests. There are other differences rated to size and ratio of crew to guests which you will see in the quality of the meals (same ingredients mainly but cooking for less makes a difference).

For some this will provide a possible opportunity to try out Endeavor without long flights as the vast majority of Endeavor Itineraries for the moment involve long flights for those in the USA/Canada/Mexico. I know things could change but in 2022 there are a few itineraries such as the Montreal to West Palm Beach one which I believe is 14 days and I think some Alaska ones which are closer for those in North America but I believe for now there are no itineraries like these for Endeavor in 2023.

Anyway, it's not for everyone and the price per diem is certainly higher compared to ocean but remember even within a ship such as Serenity and Symphony the price is certainly higher for those in a CP, PS, PH, Seabreeze Categories compare to various of the standard rooms yet you are on the same sailing and most things are the same.

I suspect the itinerary will indeed appeal to many who would like to try it and being closer to home will matter.

Keith
Hey, who was the asshole that like that post?

drib wrote:The average fare for an S2, West Palm Beach to Panama City, is $978 per day.

So this new itinerary strikes me as price gouging, taking advantage of the fact that cruisers are so frustrated by the pandemic that they may pay these preposterous fares.

They are creating new itineraries by the seat of their pants - I should probably applaud them for being so proactive - but maybe there is a kind of irrational exuberance, made from haste. Maybe this itinerary is priced in error. That's the only explanation I can think of as to why a Caribbean itinerary is more than an Antarctic itinerary.

In any event, for anyone really wanting to board this new ship, with an eye on their wallet, there are actually 16 existing itineraries where an S2 would cost you between $900 and $1100 per day.
drib wrote:Here's another way to look at how absurd the fares on this new itinerary are, for you bean counters out there ....

Suppose they succeed in putting 2 fannies in every cabin on board, that amounts to $3,513,800 in gross revenue. Compare that to a typical Antarctica cruise where 11 days is around $4 million gross revenue - divided by 11, times 9 (days in the overpriced cruise), that's around 3.3 million. How much more difficult is it, you suppose, to sail and provision from Ushuaia? Ridiculous, or possibly, Riduckulous.
Actually, the meaning of Riduckulous is misplaced above.
keith1010 wrote:People will determine if it is price gouging. If the price is way too high and they don't sell it then everyone loses.

I don't see the pricing as taking advantage of anything. I don't see any arm twisting to book. If it is outlandish no one would book it. This is when I'll say time will tell and if prices too high and sales not going well they will be adjusted downward which is not the first time that has happened but if they sell then prices will stay the same.

Right now I can't see how they are making money on Serenity and Symphony and that is an unsustainable model.

Anyway like most things this is not for everyone but hopefully for those who want to try out Endeavor and are willing to pay more money it offers an opportunity.

Speaking of price gauging many months ago I booked a Hotel in Hawaii for October. I checked the pricing a few months ago and the price doubled. And the starting price was not cheap as this is a village at a Hotel. I went to book a rental car with another company given the issues with rental cars so I wanted a backup and the price was close to double. In Nassau, I booked early and the prices for flights went up significantly if you tried to book the same flights a month later and the same goes for the hotels.

So I would call it supply and demand and in this case the haven't seen the demand yet but they will get to see what the demand is in the coming weeks.

Finally, for many people the ease of the itinerary is a factor and in this time of COVID-19 something easy is better for most with things changing by the minute and for many the price of flying will likely be better on this itinerary than on others where a much longer flight is needed. In fact, for some they might not have a drive on one half the itinerary.

And there is probably more certainty about this itinerary not changing than some of the others. It might not have been on your list but I know people either booked on the Antarctica itinerary or considering it and they would love to do it but the unknown is where it will be leaving from and I suspect even now this is not certain.

Like most things we are all adults and we all will make the choice which works for us.

I've been on this board for years and I remember very well when there were three ships (Harmony, Symphony and Serenity) some saying they would not consider Serenity because of its pricing when they could sail the same itinerary for less money choosing Harmony or Symphony.

And finally, I wouldn't call it creating them by the seat of their pants as often they are working on them for much longer than one thinks but have to work out the details. But in this world of COVID-19 for the cruise lines too choices; revise itineraries or shut it down. Even though it looks at times to be crazy with changes I vote for the former and not the latter because you can only shut down so many times.

Keith
Hey, who was the asshole (or very sardonic person) that laughed there?
drib wrote: [responding to Keith's paragraph starting speaking of] Keith, you are practically making my case for me.

Even in supply and demand situations, gouging is generally frowned upon.

Maybe saminina is on to something ... maybe there's some kind of tie-in with Foxy's that we don't know about.
keith1010 wrote:I did some thinking of this today and the experience on this ship is highly unique and thus the much higher price than an Ocean Vessel?

Why because you get the combined experience of a luxurious vessel combined with a high end expedition experience. In short, it is two experience wrapped into one.

This is why the price is much different than booking an Ocean Vessel doing a similar itinerary because the experience will be quite a lot different.

It is not for everyone both in terms of not only the affordability but in terms of enjoying the expedition experience. Some people who can afford this experience would not be able or interested in doing some of the expedition activities which are offered while others who would enjoy the expedition activities sailing on a vessel as luxurious as Endeavor would not be in their budget.

This is no different than many things in life in the air, on land or in the sea.

It's not for everyone but nothing is and it doesn't have to be. In time and without COVID hanging over most things it can be very successful as there are few products out there IMHO which compare to it.

I haven't analyzed the per diems. I did take a quick look at the total price for two in the category we are sailing now and on other voyages we have booked and while not the lowest it is not the highest either.

What I can say is the experience is truly amazing. Is it worth the cost? Well that is a personal opinion and please remember that some people we all know question why any of us would spend the money to sail on Crystal or any of the luxury lines where you could spend much less to sail on a mainstream line and see many of the same places. As many of us know there is a difference but not everyone see it that way nor thinks it is worth it.

So it goes.
drib wrote:I never compared Endeavor to Crystal's ocean ships. What I compared was Endeavor to itself, an outrageously-priced Caribbean itinerary to an Antarctica itinerary , which I believe is priced in line with other Antarctica expedition cruises. I will stipulate that Endeavor is a beautiful, luxurious, expedition ship, albeit one where you can't order a chicken salad sandwich, hold the chicken, from room service whenever you want.

I greatly enjoyed Catlover54's account, both words and photographs, of her recent Endeavor cruise. And that's from me, a well-known cat hater. (Cats!) It's probably not the experience I would look for in a cruise simply because there are so many luxuries that I would miss from an ocean ship - including the much older Crystal ocean ships. But I'm sure Endeavor will be at the top of its class ... once they finish building it.

Now, let's get back to this:

12 hours ago, drib said:
They are creating new itineraries by the seat of their pants - I should probably applaud them for being so proactive - but maybe there is a kind of irrational exuberance, made from haste. Maybe this itinerary is priced in error. That's the only explanation I can think of as to why a Caribbean itinerary is more than an Antarctic itinerary.

I stand by that statement.

Let's see ... Crystal tried restarting their cruise business with round-trip itineraries from Antigua. That didn't work out. And then - the sequence is hard to remember, so just jump and correct me when I have it wrong - they tried sailing out of Nassau instead. And then Bimini, in addition to. And then Miami, putting on a brave face for the unvaccinated? So it became like a three ring circus - except the rings, instead of being side-by-side, were more like a Venn diagram, overlapping with embarkations and debarkations every other day! And then, in Bimini, bobbety-boo, their parent company resort tried to charge Crystal passengers for the use of their property. How is that not a detail that they work out in advance?

Okay, so then they are Bermuda itineraries, from both Beantown and New York City. And the ship has to dock at King's Wharf, which has scant-little charm, instead of Hamilton, which allows for beautiful sail-ins, sail-outs, is in the center of everything, and has oodles of charm. Sure, you can spend several hours of your vacation going back and forth from King's Wharf to Hamilton - by ferry or bus because it's not safe to walk Bermuda's narrow roads - I tried! But if you spent all your time getting to where all that charm is, in Hamilton, then you've wasted your {pause} shot. {pause} {rimshot}

Meanwhile, back in the North Atlantic, Endeavor has to scramble to get to Lisbon because they can't sail to Tromso, Norway. And kudos to Crystal for figuring this part out - those ports in Scotland are worthy replacements. They get to the one itinerary to Lisbon intact, but then we still don't know how they get from Lisbon to Miami in time for the bank-busting Caribbean cruise to San Juan. That's 16 days. Will there be passengers anywhere to Miami? And if so, isn't that the Endeavor US debut? And following San Juan, that's 15 days to Ushuaia. I'd sure want to know how they intend to do that if I was booked on one of the (now relatively inexpensive) Antarctica cruises.

There are still web pages for Serenity for the 2022 World Cruise. Why are those still up? Are they still selling those hoping for a miracle? And Symphony has the converse problem - it took down the web pages that Crystal has no intention of sailing, and in its place is what? (That was rhetorical - the answer is a 141 day gap from New York City to Athens.

Now, if that's not planning by the seat of your pants, then what is?

I'll end this long rant on a positive note. I really do think it's admirable that Crystal is being so proactive - I've faulted them in the past for not being that way. And another good thing: they're wearing pants.

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keith1010 wrote:Although we have a spike in Covid-19 cases so we are far from normal this thread is taking me back to the days before Covid-19 hit so I guess at least on this board we are back to normal.

In the end demand for the product at the price it is being sold at will help to drive the pricing. I believe this is called Capitalism.

Is the Four Seasons prices in Nassau worth it where a room there is a few times the price of one even at Baha Mar and where I saw the price literally double with two months for the same date????? For me it was not, but obviously for others it was.

Anyway glad to see with each passing day there is more and more normalcy here including although at times we would be better off without the sarcasm.

Oh well. This is what makes the world go around.

Keith

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